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Foreign Women and Cultural Differences

Dear Anthony,

I’m in my 40s and recently met two very different women that I’m interested in. One is from South America and is great-looking, though I have reservations about cultural differences. The other is here in the U.S. but not quite as appealing to me. I’m not sure which one to focus on. Do you think the cultural differences would present a problem?


Cultural differences, language, and the visa thing are big. The U.S. is really cracking down on this. You are going to find yourself in a long haul with trying to get this woman into the country and settle down with you. How many more years do you want to be NOT ONLY single, but also without children? If it were me, I would look harder at the American girl.

I really hate to see men get caught up in great looks, I'm glad to see you are not easily taken in by that, but I'm sure you are somewhat, just like every other guy. You have to work very hard at avoiding the great-looks desire. A good-looking woman is "good enough". Great looks will not last in a woman. My advice is avoid it as a major thing. I know many men who are attracted to the exotic looks of foreign women, or who believe foreign women are more "feminine" than American women.

Regarding the U.S. woman, be VERY "open minded" and welcoming in attitude with her. If you go into it looking for flaws or negatives, you will surely find them. That includes physical flaws. The better approach is to take is to watch for anything that you absolutely could NOT get past for a lifetime, and those things should be based on what is "essential", NOT preferable. No one is going to come along that satisfies your every desire. Is she a good woman who will make a good wife and mother? Are you attracted to her physically enough (it does not have to be blissfully right away, because that can happen as you fall in love over time)? Does she believe the teachings of the Church and seek to practice them (a desire to become a saint and get to heaven)? Is she kind and forgiving? Does she seem easy to get along with (not a high-maintenance type of person)? Is she a consistent person (does not change into someone else when around certain people and then back again when alone with you — this one is tested around family and friends)? And as for anything physical about her you find to be flawed or unattractive, first look in the mirror (not just your face, but your whole body) and consider that someone has to accept your physical flaws as well. It will help you stay humble. This goes for your own personality and behavior flaws as well. Consider them first, and it will help you to NOT be so quick to discount her (or any woman, for that matter).

You need to go into meeting women with the realization that they will fail you in moments because they are NOT your savior, nor are they responsible for your complete happiness. You are looking the person you want to "DECIDE" to give yourself to in order to make HER happy and the children that are given to you. That is the meaning of your vocation to marry. Now, if you are a wise person in making your choice, you will make sure you learn enough to know that she is a person who understands that this is her calling to you as well. That way you won't be stuck with someone that you have to do all the giving for, and get nothing in return.

Everything else can pretty much be worked out (hobbies, interests, personality traits, baggage from the past, bad habits, moments of weakness, etc.).

The institution of Holy Matrimony is a very "practical" vocation. It is not primarily about romance and attraction. It is about being "suitable" for marriage and being "evenly yoked" for the purposes of marriage that God has designed. You want someone you can really share your life with, and yourself with. To consider beauty primarily is to condemn yourself to a near future that is empty due to problems you never foresaw that have to do with fleeting looks and cultural barriers, or anything else that got swept under the rug during the consideration and decision process.

God is looking for men and women who are ready to give up their self-centered concerns for the role of self-donation and giving, who will be open to life, who will make their decision a permanent one for life, and who will be totally faithful to that one person in mind and body and heart, as well as be focused on the care and needs of the other and the children before themselves. People who want to bear fruit for God's glory and the population of heaven and earth. People who see love as a giving to another, not a wanting to get from another.

This all points back to the U.S. woman, or women like her, being the wiser investment of your time and efforts rather than foreign women. I realize men are looking for certain qualities in women that they seem to feel they are NOT finding in American women. Perhaps that is something American women need to learn about men and make changes accordingly. But men are also deceiving themselves in thinking that foreign women are more humble, and quiet, and holy, and willing to dote over their man's every need, and modest in dress, and don't care about large age differences, and are more physically attractive (in an exotic sort of way). I have been to many South American countries and I can tell you firsthand that secularism, consumerism, and materialism have all entered into those societies and are affecting the Catholics there as well. Just as in America, not ALL are affected. But the dream world that these women are somehow less tainted is just not true. The problems in men and women are worldwide. I think it is better to stick with your own territory and what is most familiar to you. It gives you much better chance of success in marriage. There are men who successfully meet and marry a foreign woman from Central or South America, or the Philippines, or a place like that (we are not here talking about British or Australian and the like), so I don't want to sound "absolute". But I do think there are many, many Catholic men out there who are looking at these other countries for a woman because they have found American women they have met (even Catholics) to be unattractive in their "ways", and that affects their ability to be attracted to them physically. But again, I think in a lot of cases, they are not looking at the big picture. Culture, language, and many other factors do make a difference in the long run. It is best not to allow yourself to be easily "turned off" by women in the U.S. because of a "dream" of how it might be with a foreign woman.

It all stems back to this problem of men desiring finding a woman who will make them perfectly happy, which is the selfish approach to finding a wife. Accept that there will be shortcomings and issues, and you can more easily accept a woman in America, faults and all. But at least it will be much more familiar to you, and probably less expensive :-) There is more to say on this issue, as there are many deep aspects to it, but I will end it here.

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Keat's Gravatar Not all foreign women dream of America and want to leave there home country. We want to stay close to our families, close to our elderly parents. When that’s the case, the man needs to be concerned of how he’s going to position himself into a foreign country. Anthony is correct in pointing out these logistic and often problematic realities, but they operate on both sides.
# Posted By Keat | 4/4/08 7:04 PM
Angie's Gravatar As a woman originally from South America, I must say that most South American women do bring family, religious, ethical and moral values to the table. If you go beyond
cultural differences, you will find that historically 95% of the South American countries are 99% Catholic. In other words, if you are seeking a woman with deep Catholic
values and traditions then you are looking in the right place. Also, if you do some research and check the statistics you will find that South American countries have the
LOWEST divorce rate in the world versus USA which is listed on the top 10 countries with the HIGHEST divorce rate.

I have lived in the US for the last 10 yrs and when it comes down to cultural differences you are looking minor things like food, music and language for the most part.
I personally thought I was going to experience a cultural shock by moving from a South American country to the US and it was not an issue.
I did feel homesick for the first two years until I was able to speak English fluently and get to know people around me. Keeping in touch with my family helped a great deal.
One thing that will become a important part of your life will be dealing with immigration which it is very lengthy and slow process. Yet, it wouldn't be a big of the deal
if you find the person for you for years to come :) Good luck and do not get stressed over cultural differences, it is more important to think about the big picture and think
what kind of woman you want to have a wife taking care of your children :) God bless!
# Posted By Angie | 4/4/08 8:24 PM
dennis's Gravatar Anthony,

This is good advice. It is much easier to build up a rapport with someone who is already in the United States and meet with them face to face for courtship (starting with friendship), get togethers, etc. That is something that would be much harder going to places like South America, not to mention spending thousands of dollars each time for airfare. Some women may not be open to moving to the United States, and yes, there are immigration issues, and cultural differences. Language barriers could arise as well (I do speak Spanish, so don't think I'm prejudice towards South America and Mexico) which could hinder communication. If your future wife would like to work in the United States, it would be wise to discusss job prospects with her in the United States if she is open to moving.

Sadly, I have had women of Hispanic descent tell me that they don't want to marry Hispanic men, because many are disrespectful towards them, which could account for women in places like South America wanting to come to the United States. There is also a higher ratio of women to men in South America as well, so the women of marrying age are having a harder time finding good spouses.

I'm not sure about immigration issues from places like Canada, the United Kingdom, and Ireland. My impression is a Canadian citizen would have an easier time moving to the United States, and a language barrier would be greatly minimized. It would be easier to make visits to Canada from the United States, especially if one lives like in Michiagan or New York or Washington State. I did visit a girl from AMS once from Monterrey, Mexico (I live in Texas), so that's not a really long trip.

In short, I agree that staying within the United States is your best bet.
# Posted By dennis | 4/5/08 12:58 PM
Juvy's Gravatar It's not so much with the cultural differences I think, but mostly the affection that you develop for a person for a reason. Not just because of her looks, but most importantly because of her values maybe, her character, those are not measure by the place where you came from, they transcend race and culture. A person's character will show even just a li'l if you keep chatting or emailing for awhile, and maybe from there you'll get to know that person and decide if it's worth it.
# Posted By Juvy | 4/5/08 9:03 PM
Malena's Gravatar I honestly think that the approach of the slow process of getting a south american woman to USA is too cold and calculative.

The MOST important thing about a relationship is how well they get along with each other, and OF COURSE that liking the woman you would marry is VERY important too... Yeah, it may sound a bit shallow, but it's REALITY. Yeah, beauty fades... But men are not dumb, they can remember how beautiful his wife was, and how despite the years, the woman still has this air of beauty... At least that's how my uncles and my dad recall my aunts and my mother.

And if this man is honestly saying he feels more attracted to the south american woman, then he should give it a shot. Distance, culture, etc. It's just a small price to pay when you're looking for a person to TRULY love, you can't tell this man to settle for the woman in the U.S. just because she near, and the other girl is farther.

God won't lie to him, and if the woman of his heart is in another country, then I say go for it! Many people have made it, and you MUST remain positive no matter what other people say, because with God, ALL things are possible!
# Posted By Malena | 4/6/08 12:45 AM
Luz's Gravatar There are several truths I saw in Mr Buono's and other people postings. Yes, secularism and consumerism have permeated South America. Yet, the percentage of population embracing the Catholic religion, as well as the divorce rates, are lower in South America or in Mexico and Central America.
The culture in South America is more male oriented and it is generally considered a virtue in the woman the ability to tolerate defects from their husbands, including infidelity, addictions or physical abuse (therefore, a number of women remain married despite being humiliated, cheated on, and so). Whether it is verbally expressed or not, it IS a cultural trait, that the woman "must" tolerate things and be lenient for the sake of the children. Therefore, a number of Hispanic males take advantage of that, and are irresponsible and disrespectful to their wives. In that sense, many women are actually carrying the entire burden of marriage, rather than being a shared responsibility.

One thing I would say, which one of the commentes does mention, is that not every single woman is looking forward to moving to the U.S., and in this respect, you should ask first, rather than making assumptions. Also, if you are thinking that a woman should give up everything she has in her home country to move with you, I invite you to consider the question: Would you be willing to give everything you have in your home country to move with the right woman, if for whatever reason she had to stay?? (like having an ill parent, like having years of delays due to immigration, she has some accident and needs her family besides her husband to take her for a few months...) This is a big question, it is a matter of selflessness, and many men are not ready to do that. Yet, marriage is supposed to be about selflessness so that one can give oneself to the other... Some of the blog postings and comments here assume that you do have to stay in the U.S.. While not everyone is called to do so, notice that God does call people out of their comfortzone to fulfill their God given mission. If you are thinking about marrying a Hispanic woman, you should of course ask her if she is willing to move, but first of all, you should also ask yourself if you are ready to be selfless and give up your comfort zone if you find a wonderful woman out there who is suitable for marriage. If it is only "the looks" that you are finidng in here, the answer will probably be "no", and you need to question yourself deeper...
# Posted By Luz | 4/6/08 8:47 AM
Steve's Gravatar I'm from the USA. My sister married a Swiss man and they live there, with their baby. I'd hate it if my brother-in-law would have followed any advice, if he had received it, about courting someone who lived across the ocean, and from a different culture. Not to be judgemental - my brother in law is a wonderful person - but his Catholicism is a very minor part of his life, whereas for my sister it was important. What would you have advised my sister? From your comments about dating someone from Latin America, given the fact that this was a greater geographical distance, on top of the fact that there was quite a considerable difference in their practice of their faith, I have to assume that if you made similar general statements, about relationships with people from Europe, that your advice would be such that, if my sister had followed it, she would not be married to her husband, and their baby would not exist. I'm glad that they are married, and that my nephew does exist.

Cultural diffeneces can be a good thing. I love the fact that my parish has many Latino members. We have perpetual adoration, and you know, relative to the ethnic composition of the parish, Latinos adorers are in disproportionately high numbers! From a secular standpoint, cultural difference may be an imporant factor, but if we are talking about two people who are very active at church, cultural differences should be seen as complimentary.
# Posted By Steve | 4/6/08 8:58 PM
Susie's Gravatar I'm not sure I agree here. I know a lot of people married to both men and women from South America - including one cousin who is married a woman from Brazil who is a better Catholic than a good many others in the family - and none of them have any cultural issues at all. It may well be that I am from one of the most welcoming communities out there, but if that's where love and peace is to be found, then passing up the opportunity would seem to be a waste.
# Posted By Susie | 4/7/08 4:15 PM
David's Gravatar Dear Anthony,

After spending this evening reading your answer and the comments that followed, I thought I should give my comments, as an AMS member, who, while living in western Canada, met my wife from the Philippines. I freely admit, that I found my wife's picture attractive and this led me to look further into her profile. I will also add that I did not limit myself to foriegn countries in my search. Any man with a pulse should find a woman from these foriegn countries attractive. After all, their features are much stronger and even typical throughout their country, where in North America, we really have a diverse looking population. As long as this attraction to foriegn women is not an obsession and a man is also looking in his own backyard, I think this is healthy and is truely allowing God to work freely in their lives. I believe there is advice somewhere on your site, not to limit ourselves in our search. Of course, one must look much deeper than the looks in order to find a good spouse and I think you covered that very well. Culturally, we have lots of need for all the richness that a foriegn woman can offer. This applies equally wether a man invite her to North America, or moves to her country. Therefore, we as men, need to embrace them fully and really take to heart the beauty which exists in their culture. Also, as one person commented, many of these women are faced with their culture of men with strong beliefs that they find unattractive. I couldn't believe, as I met Nini's friends and family in the Philippines, how many nice (and attractive) women didn't even have a boyfriend. Women there also out number the men. If we can in some way help to fill a need, then why shouldn't we at least be open to the idea? Then, there is the potential difficulties with immigration. Now, I truely believe that my courtship and marriage to Nini was short, but at the same time, it assures me that when the Holy Spirit has you by the hand, anything is possible and He can make it look easy! We met and were married in 7 months. Things would be different in other countries though and we certainly did not encounter any typical barriers which one could expect in a situation like this. Language could be another challenge, not only if a foriegn woman doesn't yet speak english (or french), but also in the way they express themselves in english which can often be misunderstood. We might also have the habit of speaking too fast for them to understand and find that we often need to repeat ourselves. As another person commented, we have the most participation in parish ministries from the Filipinos and South Americans in our parish. This serves to inspire other parishioners to become more involved and active in their lives of faith. Beginning our vocation of marriage is what we are trying to do and having reasonable guidelines is a good idea. Still, we need to remain open to the unexpected treasure which The Lord might want to give to us, if only we will allow Him to take the wheel.

May God Bless you all,
David
# Posted By David | 4/8/08 1:25 AM
Steve's Gravatar I've already commented, but after reading the comment by David(4/8/08), had to say I agree with it.

IMHO, the Catholicism I witness among Filipinos is probably the most impressive of any nationality. I've travelled a lot and also, as a resident of Chicago, I meet a fair number of immigrants, so I think it's safe for me to make a general statement: if interested in a coherent Catholic, look locally and internationally!
# Posted By Steve | 4/9/08 11:06 PM
CLT's Gravatar I personally thank Steve and David for a wonderful comments about Filipino ladies. I am 38 year old single Filipina living here in Vancouver and somehow it gave me hope. Many of my Catholic Filipina friends here are also single - unattached and probably never had dates for years. Mind you, they are smart, attractive and have wonderful personalities makes you wonder why they are still unmarried. The thing is they do not go out in bars nor speed dating venues. I doubt if ever they go to blind dates nor online sites. These women are busy with their jobs in order to help their ageing parents or other members of the family back in our home country. However, they never stop going to Church. In fact, some of them freely give their time serving their parish. Most Filipinos value their spiritual lives so much which is why you will find most of us in Church (especially here in North America).

Do I ever got dates? Yes, but why am I still unmarried, I don't know. Where do I spend my time? At my parish which I consider as my second home. I felt a strong sense of support and community life here. I experienced the "family life of the Church" where I became a spirtual mother by being a Cathechist to little children. I became the "other Christ" by serving as "Eucharistic Minister" I am also being a child whenever I also for spiritual direction from my parish priest whom I consider as my spritual father.

Do I ever get lonely ? Yes, just like any other Catholic Single in the world but I find it consoling to know that God understands what I am going through. Just like most of the men and women here in AMS, I am hoping God will send us that special person whom He called towards the sacrament of marriage.
# Posted By CLT | 4/18/08 2:51 PM
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